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		<title>By: Dead Sea Mineral Cosmetics</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/how-to-keep-the-airline-brands-flying-high-in-bad-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-3664</link>
		<dc:creator>Dead Sea Mineral Cosmetics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget to show good customer service at all times. Word of mouth will spread the good news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t forget to show good customer service at all times. Word of mouth will spread the good news.</p>
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		<title>By: Cotton yarn</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/how-to-keep-the-airline-brands-flying-high-in-bad-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-3594</link>
		<dc:creator>Cotton yarn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Transparent and truthful sharing of information is the core of building trust with the passengers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transparent and truthful sharing of information is the core of building trust with the passengers.</p>
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		<title>By: Travel Trailers</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/how-to-keep-the-airline-brands-flying-high-in-bad-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-3589</link>
		<dc:creator>Travel Trailers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but still it is dangerous...</description>
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		<title>By: jobseekers555</title>
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		<dc:creator>jobseekers555</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It  is an  important  and useful blog.&lt;br&gt;For more jobs visit  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.staffingpower.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.staffingpower.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It  is an  important  and useful blog.<br />For more jobs visit  <a href="http://www.staffingpower.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.staffingpower.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: jobseekers555</title>
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		<dc:creator>jobseekers555</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It  is an  important  and useful blog.&lt;br&gt;For more jobs visit  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.staffingpower.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.staffingpower.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It  is an  important  and useful blog.<br />For more jobs visit  <a href="http://www.staffingpower.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.staffingpower.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: SimpliFlying &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Three lessons for airlines from the Amazon brand</title>
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		<dc:creator>SimpliFlying &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Three lessons for airlines from the Amazon brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How to keep the airline brands flying high in bad weather? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rachel Farris (PetRelocation.com)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Farris (PetRelocation.com)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Robert -- It seems that only SW, JetBlue and also Virgin have capitalized on what &quot;Millennials&quot; are used to -- excellent customer service and convenience, with price coming a close second.  As boomers die off (or lose their spending money with the loss of their 401k&#039;s), and the Millennials become more important, I would expect to see those other airlines, who are stuck in the rut of marketing and branding themselves to boomers (low fares at the expense of quality service) either evolve in those areas or become extinct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Robert &#8212; It seems that only SW, JetBlue and also Virgin have capitalized on what &#8220;Millennials&#8221; are used to &#8212; excellent customer service and convenience, with price coming a close second.  As boomers die off (or lose their spending money with the loss of their 401k&#8217;s), and the Millennials become more important, I would expect to see those other airlines, who are stuck in the rut of marketing and branding themselves to boomers (low fares at the expense of quality service) either evolve in those areas or become extinct.</p>
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		<title>By: David Scotland</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/how-to-keep-the-airline-brands-flying-high-in-bad-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>David Scotland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point that you are missing completely from your piece is that many issues are dependent on entities outside the airline. For instance, Ground Delay Programs. An air carrier has no idea when Air Traffic Control will lift a ground stop and the flight issued clearance to proceed. In order to get the passengers to their destination as quickly as possible, airlines typically load the plane and await clearance. This is uncomfortable for pax whom would rather wait in the departure lounge, but ultimately gets them to their destination quicker. With pax loaded, the aircraft can be pushed back quickly after given clearance. It is important to remember that clearances are not highly predictable or accurate. The airline is at the whim of ATC&#039;s own decision making processes to deem it safe to allow an aircraft to depart to an airport experiencing abnormal weather.

Next, when it comes to deicing protocols, while it varies by airport, many airport authorities provide deicing procedures or ground handlers supply this service. It would be impractical at many outstations for an airline to maintain their own deicing/winter ops equipment because the cost would be prohibitive for their limited service to the airport. When relying on the airport or ground handler to perform these functions, there is only so much pushing you can do. It is their operation to run as they please, no matter how much pressure you put on them. Along the same lines, runway snow removal is entirely up to the airport authority and outside the control of an airline. They can only depart once the airport has cleared the snow and deemed the runway safe for ops.

In regards to hotel rooms for stranded passengers. One estimate from the weather issues that plagued the pacific NW and ORD over the past week and half states over 1 million people were effected. If we hypothesize (this will be grossly inaccurate) that 1/5 were required to spend a night at an airport, that would be 200,000 hotel stays. Say the airlines have an average negotiated rate of $55. That would equate $11m in hotel expenses for this one week period for all affected airlines. That is on top of the costs incurred for overtime wages to employees, cost to reposition crews, additional energy costs for ground equipment (more use) other equipment being used more, cost of lost revenue due to canceled reservations or inability for new customers to book flights as they are full with displaced passengers. The costs would be astronomical for a high turnover, low margin business. When you book an airline ticket it is with the understanding that the airline will make all efforts to get you to your final destination in as timely a fashion as possible or offer you a refund. It is specifically listed in all contracts of carriage that the times offered/listed/scheduled can not be guaranteed.

Finally, I do agree that an airline must share as much information as possible and continually update customers even if no further information is available. Honesty and candor are crucial to gaining customer commitment and cooperation. It is always best to explain the situation and the choices the customers have, no matter how uncomfortable or displeasing they may be (such as take the delayed flight to the hub city as once there have more options, but may be stranded).

It is important you look at all perspectives and working parts when analyzing a situation and you seemed to leave the airline perspective out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point that you are missing completely from your piece is that many issues are dependent on entities outside the airline. For instance, Ground Delay Programs. An air carrier has no idea when Air Traffic Control will lift a ground stop and the flight issued clearance to proceed. In order to get the passengers to their destination as quickly as possible, airlines typically load the plane and await clearance. This is uncomfortable for pax whom would rather wait in the departure lounge, but ultimately gets them to their destination quicker. With pax loaded, the aircraft can be pushed back quickly after given clearance. It is important to remember that clearances are not highly predictable or accurate. The airline is at the whim of ATC&#8217;s own decision making processes to deem it safe to allow an aircraft to depart to an airport experiencing abnormal weather.</p>
<p>Next, when it comes to deicing protocols, while it varies by airport, many airport authorities provide deicing procedures or ground handlers supply this service. It would be impractical at many outstations for an airline to maintain their own deicing/winter ops equipment because the cost would be prohibitive for their limited service to the airport. When relying on the airport or ground handler to perform these functions, there is only so much pushing you can do. It is their operation to run as they please, no matter how much pressure you put on them. Along the same lines, runway snow removal is entirely up to the airport authority and outside the control of an airline. They can only depart once the airport has cleared the snow and deemed the runway safe for ops.</p>
<p>In regards to hotel rooms for stranded passengers. One estimate from the weather issues that plagued the pacific NW and ORD over the past week and half states over 1 million people were effected. If we hypothesize (this will be grossly inaccurate) that 1/5 were required to spend a night at an airport, that would be 200,000 hotel stays. Say the airlines have an average negotiated rate of $55. That would equate $11m in hotel expenses for this one week period for all affected airlines. That is on top of the costs incurred for overtime wages to employees, cost to reposition crews, additional energy costs for ground equipment (more use) other equipment being used more, cost of lost revenue due to canceled reservations or inability for new customers to book flights as they are full with displaced passengers. The costs would be astronomical for a high turnover, low margin business. When you book an airline ticket it is with the understanding that the airline will make all efforts to get you to your final destination in as timely a fashion as possible or offer you a refund. It is specifically listed in all contracts of carriage that the times offered/listed/scheduled can not be guaranteed.</p>
<p>Finally, I do agree that an airline must share as much information as possible and continually update customers even if no further information is available. Honesty and candor are crucial to gaining customer commitment and cooperation. It is always best to explain the situation and the choices the customers have, no matter how uncomfortable or displeasing they may be (such as take the delayed flight to the hub city as once there have more options, but may be stranded).</p>
<p>It is important you look at all perspectives and working parts when analyzing a situation and you seemed to leave the airline perspective out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shashank Nigam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shashank Nigam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Robert: You asked a great question: The question is why don&#039;t these carriers care enough about this to make it the focal point that we see at these other airlines?

I feel the issue here boils down to the management. Many of the key airline executives have a Finance or Operations background. And when these folks rise to the top, they&#039;re think of an airline as being in the transport industry, rather than being in the service industry. Hence, the experience tends to be much closer to that of being on Greyhound, rather than at Ritz Clarton. See my point?

And you see a huge difference in airlines that operate differently when it comes to the hiring process. JetBlue didn&#039;t hire almost anyone who had previously worked with an airline. Ditto for Virgin America. And Southwest is very very choosy about its people too. The broth is as good as the cook isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Robert: You asked a great question: The question is why don&#8217;t these carriers care enough about this to make it the focal point that we see at these other airlines?</p>
<p>I feel the issue here boils down to the management. Many of the key airline executives have a Finance or Operations background. And when these folks rise to the top, they&#8217;re think of an airline as being in the transport industry, rather than being in the service industry. Hence, the experience tends to be much closer to that of being on Greyhound, rather than at Ritz Clarton. See my point?</p>
<p>And you see a huge difference in airlines that operate differently when it comes to the hiring process. JetBlue didn&#8217;t hire almost anyone who had previously worked with an airline. Ditto for Virgin America. And Southwest is very very choosy about its people too. The broth is as good as the cook isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be serious folks. This is a good discussion item, but transferring the idea of treating customers decently into a front line strategy is not nearly so interesting to most of the airlines, other than Southwest and JetBlue. That&#039;s why the Flyers Rights organization is still alive and kicking in Congress.

The question is why don&#039;t these carriers care enough about this to make it the focal point that we see at these other airlines? That might make for an interesting discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be serious folks. This is a good discussion item, but transferring the idea of treating customers decently into a front line strategy is not nearly so interesting to most of the airlines, other than Southwest and JetBlue. That&#8217;s why the Flyers Rights organization is still alive and kicking in Congress.</p>
<p>The question is why don&#8217;t these carriers care enough about this to make it the focal point that we see at these other airlines? That might make for an interesting discussion.</p>
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