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		<title>By: marble polishing doral</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/will-a-bloated-star-alliance-result-in-a-branding-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-4428</link>
		<dc:creator>marble polishing doral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the brash way you bring out the facts. I totally agree that big is not beautiful. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the brash way you bring out the facts. I totally agree that big is not beautiful. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Shashank Nigam</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/will-a-bloated-star-alliance-result-in-a-branding-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator>Shashank Nigam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Parminder, 

What a holistic reply! I&#039;m impressed by your depth of knowledge in the area. Indeed, size does matter for an alliance, given the direct relationship with revenue size tends to have. In fact, that&#039;s why I mention in my article that Star Alliance should position itself as the largest, and not talk so much about consistency of service. 

But then, how do you think other alliances should respond? Oneworld seems to be going in a totally opposite direction - with a more cohesive, exclusive group and SkyTeam seems to be running around like a headless chicken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Parminder, </p>
<p>What a holistic reply! I&#8217;m impressed by your depth of knowledge in the area. Indeed, size does matter for an alliance, given the direct relationship with revenue size tends to have. In fact, that&#8217;s why I mention in my article that Star Alliance should position itself as the largest, and not talk so much about consistency of service. </p>
<p>But then, how do you think other alliances should respond? Oneworld seems to be going in a totally opposite direction &#8211; with a more cohesive, exclusive group and SkyTeam seems to be running around like a headless chicken.</p>
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		<title>By: Shashank Nigam</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/will-a-bloated-star-alliance-result-in-a-branding-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Shashank Nigam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ted,

I love the brash way you bring out the facts. Indeed, scale does matter - especially for operations and procurement - but at the same time customer service shouldn&#039;t be compromised. After all, I feel airlines are in the service business more than transport business. Would you ever want to fly the &quot;greyhound of the skies&quot;. Probably not.

As another reader of my article stated, the ability to use FF miles across all these airlines can be a huge upside. But is it big enough an upside to compensate for the inconsistent service quality?

In fact, you might enjoy reading an interview I did with Emirates&#039; VP of Ops for the Americas, who believes scale is Emirates&#039; key strength and will not dilute customer service. http://simpliflying.com/2008/interview-with-emirates-vp-nigel-page-on-the-a380-flights-to-jfk-sfo-and-lax/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ted,</p>
<p>I love the brash way you bring out the facts. Indeed, scale does matter &#8211; especially for operations and procurement &#8211; but at the same time customer service shouldn&#8217;t be compromised. After all, I feel airlines are in the service business more than transport business. Would you ever want to fly the &#8220;greyhound of the skies&#8221;. Probably not.</p>
<p>As another reader of my article stated, the ability to use FF miles across all these airlines can be a huge upside. But is it big enough an upside to compensate for the inconsistent service quality?</p>
<p>In fact, you might enjoy reading an interview I did with Emirates&#8217; VP of Ops for the Americas, who believes scale is Emirates&#8217; key strength and will not dilute customer service. <a href="http://simpliflying.com/2008/interview-with-emirates-vp-nigel-page-on-the-a380-flights-to-jfk-sfo-and-lax/" rel="nofollow">http://simpliflying.com/2008/interview-with-emirates-vp-nigel-page-on-the-a380-flights-to-jfk-sfo-and-lax/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Parminder Singh</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/will-a-bloated-star-alliance-result-in-a-branding-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>Parminder Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends on what you are looking for as a passenger. If connectivity and points are your most important criteria then Star Alliance is on the right path. Customer experience will differ and it is already being felt. I fly Star Alliance all the time and I can vouch for the difference in service. The preference always remains to fly Singapore Airlines over other Asian carriers.

I do not think that branding is a nightmare because the brand is well established in the minds of the frequent travelers and there is enormous pull in the minds of frequent traveler to fly Star Alliance. Not every member airline will be able to give dedicated terminals but some basics will be met. Re-accomodation of a Star Alliance member being an important one in the event of a disruption. Consistency can be met in some basic areas but keeping it too high is difficult. Every airline uses a different reservations systems and at each airport the departure control system differs with the service level being more or less dictated by the ground handler.

Star Alliance is good for the airline as statistics show that 70% of the traffic worldwide is now generated through an alliance. For the new smaller airlines it is specially beneficial as it increases load factor Regional airlines may be benefiting financially but the larger airlines get more benefit.

Size matters and some level of consistent customer experience counts. So far with the bigger airlines, it has done a fairly good job. Moving forward, it remains to be seen how the newer airlines catch up. Star Alliance could also detail the level of service expected at different regions and airports and that should take care of the expectation of the passenger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends on what you are looking for as a passenger. If connectivity and points are your most important criteria then Star Alliance is on the right path. Customer experience will differ and it is already being felt. I fly Star Alliance all the time and I can vouch for the difference in service. The preference always remains to fly Singapore Airlines over other Asian carriers.</p>
<p>I do not think that branding is a nightmare because the brand is well established in the minds of the frequent travelers and there is enormous pull in the minds of frequent traveler to fly Star Alliance. Not every member airline will be able to give dedicated terminals but some basics will be met. Re-accomodation of a Star Alliance member being an important one in the event of a disruption. Consistency can be met in some basic areas but keeping it too high is difficult. Every airline uses a different reservations systems and at each airport the departure control system differs with the service level being more or less dictated by the ground handler.</p>
<p>Star Alliance is good for the airline as statistics show that 70% of the traffic worldwide is now generated through an alliance. For the new smaller airlines it is specially beneficial as it increases load factor Regional airlines may be benefiting financially but the larger airlines get more benefit.</p>
<p>Size matters and some level of consistent customer experience counts. So far with the bigger airlines, it has done a fairly good job. Moving forward, it remains to be seen how the newer airlines catch up. Star Alliance could also detail the level of service expected at different regions and airports and that should take care of the expectation of the passenger.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Braun</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/will-a-bloated-star-alliance-result-in-a-branding-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe one can look at alliances in general also as a defense mechanism; simply securing critical mass so that other alliances don&#039;t snap up airlines that can could contribute to your market share. Beyond schedule coordination alliances have not taken as much advantage as they could have from pooling resources, whether in purchasing, maintenance, ground services and, especially cargo. Star Alliance is perhaps more unique in the sense that it is very closely tied in with Amadeus. Lufthansa is also a co-owner of Jettainer, the airline ULD pooling and management company. To answer your question - size does matter. Regarding the customer experience - the saddest example of all is the US market, where there simply is no customer experience whatsoever. Definitely not recommended or worth emulating, but a fact nevertheless. 


Ted Braun
Owner, FreightPath LLC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe one can look at alliances in general also as a defense mechanism; simply securing critical mass so that other alliances don&#8217;t snap up airlines that can could contribute to your market share. Beyond schedule coordination alliances have not taken as much advantage as they could have from pooling resources, whether in purchasing, maintenance, ground services and, especially cargo. Star Alliance is perhaps more unique in the sense that it is very closely tied in with Amadeus. Lufthansa is also a co-owner of Jettainer, the airline ULD pooling and management company. To answer your question &#8211; size does matter. Regarding the customer experience &#8211; the saddest example of all is the US market, where there simply is no customer experience whatsoever. Definitely not recommended or worth emulating, but a fact nevertheless. </p>
<p>Ted Braun<br />
Owner, FreightPath LLC</p>
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		<title>By: Shashank Nigam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shashank Nigam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria, I can totally sympathize with you. I think CEOs of airlines need to be told that airlines are part of the service industry, not transport industry, like Greyhound is in.

I&#039;m sure you&#039;d remember the Spirit Airlines incident late last year with CEO Ben Baldanza,accidentally hit “Reply to all”on a response to a consumer complaint about a delayed flight instead of just sending it to his associate. His message read:

&quot;Please respond, Pasquale, but we owe him nothing as far as I’m con-
cerned. Let him tell the world how bad we are. He’s never flown us
before anyway and will be back when we save him a penny. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria, I can totally sympathize with you. I think CEOs of airlines need to be told that airlines are part of the service industry, not transport industry, like Greyhound is in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d remember the Spirit Airlines incident late last year with CEO Ben Baldanza,accidentally hit “Reply to all”on a response to a consumer complaint about a delayed flight instead of just sending it to his associate. His message read:</p>
<p>&#8220;Please respond, Pasquale, but we owe him nothing as far as I’m con-<br />
cerned. Let him tell the world how bad we are. He’s never flown us<br />
before anyway and will be back when we save him a penny. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Shashank Nigam</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/will-a-bloated-star-alliance-result-in-a-branding-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>Shashank Nigam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl, Adrienne and Fiona, Indeed &quot;big is not always beautiful&quot;. But As Adrienne mentions, the ability to use FF miles across all these airlines can be a huge upside. But is it big enough an upside to compensate for the inconsistent service quality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl, Adrienne and Fiona, Indeed &#8220;big is not always beautiful&#8221;. But As Adrienne mentions, the ability to use FF miles across all these airlines can be a huge upside. But is it big enough an upside to compensate for the inconsistent service quality?</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona Murton</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/will-a-bloated-star-alliance-result-in-a-branding-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-458</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona Murton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree that big is not beautiful. What is also frightening is the possible merger of BA and Qantas! Airline supremacy is not what its all about, clients want good value for money and service!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree that big is not beautiful. What is also frightening is the possible merger of BA and Qantas! Airline supremacy is not what its all about, clients want good value for money and service!!</p>
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		<title>By: Maria K Todd</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/will-a-bloated-star-alliance-result-in-a-branding-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria K Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloated alliance.... and a bloated ego. What is not bloated is customer service!

I experienced an horrific experience in nastiness at LAX with a United Airlines (not TED) gate agent and a mobility impaired and hearing impaired traveler, one that included expletives from the mouth of the agent. When I arrived at my destination, I wrote a letter...not a diatribe mind you, a business letter citing facts, names, times, and specifics. I received a form letter that said essentially...&quot;nice to hear from you, please fly again&quot;. It wasn&#039;t even signed!

I was Premier Executive then. Now I am Exec Platinum with AA.

Maria K Todd, MHA PhD
President
Global Health Care Policy Council
www.ghcpc.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloated alliance&#8230;. and a bloated ego. What is not bloated is customer service!</p>
<p>I experienced an horrific experience in nastiness at LAX with a United Airlines (not TED) gate agent and a mobility impaired and hearing impaired traveler, one that included expletives from the mouth of the agent. When I arrived at my destination, I wrote a letter&#8230;not a diatribe mind you, a business letter citing facts, names, times, and specifics. I received a form letter that said essentially&#8230;&#8221;nice to hear from you, please fly again&#8221;. It wasn&#8217;t even signed!</p>
<p>I was Premier Executive then. Now I am Exec Platinum with AA.</p>
<p>Maria K Todd, MHA PhD<br />
President<br />
Global Health Care Policy Council<br />
<a href="http://www.ghcpc.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.ghcpc.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adrienne Sasson</title>
		<link>http://simpliflying.com/2008/will-a-bloated-star-alliance-result-in-a-branding-nightmare/comment-page-1/#comment-456</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrienne Sasson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The merger craze will become a &quot;nightmare&quot; for the client. The fairplay in competition is being diminsihed and pricing will certainly be negatively affected. They will become the kid with all of the marbles. If you want to play, you will need to play by their rules.

Only upside will be the ability to use FF points on the allied flights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The merger craze will become a &#8220;nightmare&#8221; for the client. The fairplay in competition is being diminsihed and pricing will certainly be negatively affected. They will become the kid with all of the marbles. If you want to play, you will need to play by their rules.</p>
<p>Only upside will be the ability to use FF points on the allied flights.</p>
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